Reddit Users Push Marijuana Church In Madison Wisconsin To Irie Heights [LINK]

 

 

 

Luke 12 KJV

For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known.

Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.

And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.

But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

11 And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say:

12 For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.

 

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1.4k points · 17 hours ago

The burning bush.

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688 points · 11 hours ago

Step 1: Obtain bush
Step 2: Set bush on fire
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Prophet!

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Step 3: Inhale

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30 points · 9 hours ago

Clever.

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Step 3 is get high and say some profound stoner shit.

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What if C-A-T really spelled dog?

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That’s heavy, Ogre.

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18 points · 8 hours ago

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the secret service would like a word with you

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Literally went to a Passover Seder that featured weed. Twas wonderful and odd.

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You shall not win me over with your use of the word “twas”

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Apologies but you’re Jewish now.

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Shalom

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41 points · 13 hours ago

Does that mean I can’t roll on Shabbos?

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21 points · 9 hours ago

“It’s a show dog dude. It’s got papers.”

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You can, but only if you design a vape that is pre-programmed to light at specific times. You can’t actively switch it on, and it can’t generate fire.

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5 points · 6 hours ago

What about those vapes that automatically turn on when you inhale?

We could design a vape that is pre-programmed to light for 9 out of every 10 seconds, but as a safety feature does not light unless there is airflow through the chamber.

We may need to get an expert on rabbinical vape law in here, I have so many questions.

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9 points · 9 hours ago

Shomer fuckin’ Shabbos

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Its a quote from Brooklyn Nine Nine from a character that is decidedly not jewish

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Talking to a man who is

(It /was/ Jake, right?)

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No, the Pontiac bandit

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There are black Jews. Dawg.

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oy vey

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T’wasn’t trying to

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This guy gets it

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Of course not. The word is t’was

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3 points · 9 hours ago

Twas a cat!

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Twasn’t trying to.

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Twasnt trying to?

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11 points · 10 hours ago

Was weed used as the bitter herb?

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5 points · 9 hours ago

I need more Jewish friends

The ones I have here are only vaguely Jewishish

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3 points · 3 hours ago

vaguely jewy FTFY

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2 points · 5 hours ago

More like Passover Cedar since it featured trees

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11 points · 10 hours ago

*The burning kush

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26 points · 15 hours ago

The burning bush was a DMT trip

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pull that up Jaime

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3 points · 6 hours ago

And that is the same in martial arts

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14 points · 15 hours ago

Be honest with yourself, why else would a burning bush be significant?

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Because even febreeze couldn’t mask the singed pube smoke in time

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10 points · 13 hours ago

Ever heard of the Temple of the True Inner Light? They’re a church whose sacrament is dipropyltryptamine, an analog of DMT.

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3 points · 12 hours ago

That sounds pretty cool!

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2 points · 8 hours ago · edited 6 hours ago

It’s entirely possible.

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8 points · 7 hours ago

The burning kush.

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3 points · 6 hours ago

Came here to say this, but /u/clavskob beat us to the punch

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3 points · 6 hours ago

Aw frick

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3 points · 6 hours ago

It’s okay Ricky we’ll get em next time

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More like burning kush, amirite???

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This is the second burning bush joke I’ve heard today. The other one was about Smaug eating out his wife.

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653 points · 16 hours ago

Transcript if you don’t want to watch the video:

MADISON, Wis. — A Wisconsin church is using and distributing marijuana as a sacrament, and some city officials are trying to stop it.

To most people, it’s weed, but church co-founder Jesse Schworck considers it a religious sacrament and part of the worship at a Rastafarian church in an old storefront near the University of Wisconsin-Madison campus.

Its members use and distribute marijuana freely. That’s really the only requirement for membership.

“We all have to agree that we all break bread and use this one sacrament: cannabis,” Schworck said.

The church doesn’t try to hide the marijuana use there. It is very open about it, even smoking right in the window for anyone on the street to see.

Anyone can sign a card to become a church member and walk out with marijuana.

“I stand with Rastafarian religion all the way,” church member Jerry Sersch said.

Schworck accepts donations but doesn’t require payment.

“This is no different than a shop distributing marijuana.” WISN 12 News reporter Kent Wainscott said to Schworck.

“Sounds like someone that would be selling cannabis or giving it to the public — two things we don’t do,” Schworck said.

Wainscott was unable to reach the city attorney for comment, but city officials have reportedly ordered the church’s landlord to put a stop to the marijuana use.

But Schworck argues this is a fight for religious freedom.

“It’s not even an argument. It’s just reality,” he said.

Schworck said he will ask a federal court for an injunction to stop what he describes as harassment from the city of Madison.

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This is a win win for me we either get less strict drug laws out of this or more strict stance on religious bullshit exemptions.

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Oh, so it’s cool for bakers to refuse service to people on the grounds of religious freedom but not cool to light up on the grounds of religious freedom? Fuck the moralists who run this shithole country.

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193 points · 10 hours ago

“Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.”

― Benjamin Franklin

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138 points · 9 hours ago

“What country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. the remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.”

– Thomas Jefferson

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51 points · 9 hours ago

Thats pretty hardcore.

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I wish Thomas Jefferson wrote metal lyrics

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15 points · 8 hours ago

Jefferson was a huge fan of the French revolution. Even after it had turned into a senseless bloodbath.

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18 points · 8 hours ago

“Smoke weed everyday.” – Dr. Dre

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27 points · 8 hours ago

“weed lmao, 4/20 blaze it” – George Washington

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72 points · 11 hours ago

Lol yup. By the way which bathroom do you plan on using I need to know this. It is super important to all that is sacred. I should worry about the civilian deaths in the Middle East but I can’t focus on that until I know what bathroom you plan on using and what genitalia you have.

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46 points · 10 hours ago

Why do right wingers care so much about the publics genitals?

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I live in an extremely conservative, right-wing state. I don’t fall into that category, but I talk with these people every day. The only thing they actually care about is people with penises trying to use the women’s bathrooms, particularly in high schools.

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16 points · 8 hours ago

They are pressumably worried about sexual assault but I’ve yet to hear any reports of a transwoman using the bathroom in order to do this.

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22 points · 8 hours ago

Yet their solution is to have trans men in the women’s room and trans women in the men’s room.

“I don’t want a man with my little girl” They say, as they kick out the person with boobs and send in the person with an Adam’s apple.

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10 points · 8 hours ago

Exactly. It’s counterintuitive. They’re just plain hateful. It’s the same type of argument made about gay marriage being used to get tax breaks for wealthy males. It’s not about the argument, just about putting people down.

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I’ve heard this argument too, and it doesn’t make any sense to me. If someone is going to commit sexual assault why would a sign on the bathroom door stop them?

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21 points · 8 hours ago

It won’t. But they can use the talking point to make life as a transgendered person harder. That’s all. I’ve witnessed a transgendered man clean a woman’s bathroom and get screamed and chased out even though they were doing their job. There’s no where that these people will be pleased because they don’t even understand what they are asking for.

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The worry isn’t about transwomen using the women’s bathrooms. It’s about men pretending to be transwomen in order to use the women’s bathrooms or locker rooms. I disagree with all the conservative bullshit in my state, it’s frustrating as all hell. But I admit I understand the worry about a teenage boy claiming to be transwoman in order to use the girl’s bathrooms or locker rooms. I don’t know if it’s normal in other places, but in my high school locker rooms, you showered in an open room with like 6 shower heads and zero privacy.

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29 points · 8 hours ago

Are there no lesbians in highschool anymore? If the right would admit they just fundamentally don’t understand the LGBT community I’d be a little more understanding. Also there’s a major difference between being a transwoman and a boy in a wig who’s only objective is to get into the women’s locker room. Also creeps exist. There’s no doubt. But they can still enter a locker room during class and hide in a locker. This argument is just to constantly have trans and predator in the same sentence

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I’m certainly not part of the right. I would definitely consider myself way more left-leaning. That being said I’ll be the first to admit I don’t understand the LGBT community. I only know one gay person and he’s my cousin and we get along very well. But I don’t know any trans people. So there is no way I would even pretend to know much of anything about that community. How could I without ever having been exposed to it? I live in an extremely rural area where it is extremely uncommon (or kept hidden).

I always try my hardest to keep an open mind and didn’t mean any harm by my previous comment. I was ostracized in high school and very much a loner and everyone made fun of me and I didn’t play sports. That much I can relate to and empathize with.

I fuckin hated showering after gym class in high school because I had to share showers with a bunch of naked teenage guys. It was already extremely uncomfortable and that absolutely would have been amplified if we would have had a trans person that also showered with us. I was made fun of and picked on and teased in the locker rooms. I can say with certainty that where I grew up, a trans person would have had an even rougher time than I did in the boys locker room. I don’t agree with the mindset around here or the complete lack of understanding, but I’m just trying to explain the trepidation of the people in my area. It isn’t necessarily fear about sexual predation alone.

Correct me if I’m way out of line here, but what does dressing like a girl and wearing a wig have to do with being trans? Girls and boys largely dressed the same where I went to high school. I have extremely long hair myself (down to my waist) and I’m a guy (who occasionally gets called a girl by little children because of the hair). My point is that in a setting like a high school, somebody is gonna have to decide what the “major difference is between being trans and a boy in a wig” in a particular school setting. Going back to my own high school as an example, if a boy was pretending to be trans to shower in the girls locker room because he’s a perve, some authority would have to judge whether or not he is just a perve or whether they were actually trans. You make it seem like an authority figure at a school would be able to make this distinction without any difficulty. In an area like mine where the lgbt community is practically nonexistent, do you really think this would be clear cut?

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11 points · 7 hours ago

A man could dress as a woman without these laws, and sneak into women’s places.

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There’s a difference between being trans (living life as your preferred gender) and calling yourself a woman whenever you want to go perv on some people. It’s not that hard to figure out that the person minding their own business isn’t there to perv on people while the person perving on people doesn’t belong.

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6 points · 7 hours ago

You know in order to claim to be trans, they’d have to present as a female, right? Like dress like one. Trans people already use the bathrooms they identify with and people don’t notice because of stalls. Its not just billy bob going into the women’s room.

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Latent sexuality issues

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3 points · 9 hours ago

That mixed with fear of death and irrelevance

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4 points · 8 hours ago

I mean, these Rasta guys are a type of baker, too.

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While I don’t support the refusal of service on grounds of sexual orientation, it’s important to note that marijuana is illegal in Wisconsin. Religious freedom is not a valid defense for breaking the law; a church is not allowed to commit murder regularly, call it a sacrament, and be immune from prosecution.

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19 points · 6 hours ago

Churches are allowed to distribute alcohol to minors for religious purposes, even though doing so in other contexts is illegal.

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Pot is illegal everywhere in the United States but states are still letting people sell it.

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11 points · 7 hours ago

You are horribly mistaken if you honestly think the baker case was about religion. It was his freedom of expression to not artistically create something he didn’t want to, and he offered other designs. It’s like a tattoo artist not wanting to do any certain design.

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52 points · 11 hours ago

Asking a federal court for an injunction when marijuana is a schedule 1 narcotic on the federal level. Yeah good luck with that.

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But they are asking for an injunction not because they believe there is no law, but b/c the laws are unconstitutional.

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22 points · 9 hours ago

Madison actually has relaxed weed laws from the 70’s. Not Wisconsin, just Madison you can have and smoke 2-3 ounces in your own home legally as long as you arent selling it. If you bring it outside they can give you a ticket though. Its kinda decriminalized i guess. Madison is a huge liberal city so I’m suprised there is literally anyone there that gives a shit about weed. They have pretty open Harvest fests and stuff down town where people smoke on the street and the police don’t care.

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It isn’t really that much of a stretch. American Indians are allowed to use peyote in their religious rites but it is a schedule 1 drug just like cannabis.

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2 points · 2 hours ago

American Indians also have a degree of sovereignty that this church doesn’t have.

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Fun fact: There are a few people receiving medical marijuana from the federal government.

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5 points · 9 hours ago

And unfortunately thousands more are still imprisoned for it.

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Which directly goes against class 1…. so… why is it class one again?????

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2 points · 8 hours ago

Private prisons.

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Legalize it!

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3 points · 6 hours ago

After 10 long years of being an atheist, I’m finally going back to church

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But also everyone should watch the video, everything from the store front, to the pipes in the window, to the demeanor of everyone featured is fantastic

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179 points · 17 hours ago

Theres like 5 dispensaries like this in my city alone. They dont pay tax and dont tax their ‘sacrament’ and you’re not buying, you’re ‘donating’

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31 points · 17 hours ago

What state?

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This was going on in California up until recently. Im sure it still is, just less and less with legal shops now.

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3 points · 6 hours ago

California, of course!

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This is the most libertarian thing I’ve read in a while

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5 points · 6 hours ago · edited 6 hours ago

Same thing existed in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada, for a while (see Church of the Universe).

I actually got to meet Brother Tucker back when I was in college; he met us at the door in a torn black t-shirt and a pair of purple Speedos and a beanie. He then proceeded to constantly interrupt our interview to sell ‘sacrament’ to anyone with a membership card.

They have a wicked ‘religion’! One of their commandments is that (basically) you need to wear a beanie all the time.

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2 points · 3 hours ago

Next to windsor?

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19 points · 9 hours ago

Sounds like capitalism is working as intended for once.

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3 points · 7 hours ago · edited 13 minutes ago

Here this is what you want, but don’t pay for it, just take it… Classic capitalism.

Edit: spelling/autocorrect

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11 points · 7 hours ago

Those donations probably aren’t as optional as you think.

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Fucking lmao, 3 different comments trying to shove this comment into their “political alignment”… so which is it reddit?? Libertsrian? Consumerist? Or fucking Socialist??? Fuck this place is just plain silly now

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32 points · 7 hours ago

This might surprise you to find out, but there are literally millions of Reddit users, and they are not all aligned in a hive mind.

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9 points · 8 hours ago

The order of which ideology this would fit into would be libertarian > capitalism > socialism (some idiot doesn’t understand socialism lol)

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263 points · 18 hours ago

I would totally go to church more

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“And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed: to you it shall be for food.”

-Genesis 1:29

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9 points · 10 hours ago

Soul food counts?

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5 points · 9 hours ago

What about the poison ones? Wouldn’t that quote mean god wants us to eat them, too?

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20 points · 8 hours ago

He gave them to us all. What you choose to do with them is your business.

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8 points · 8 hours ago

to you it shall be for food

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8 points · 6 hours ago · edited 6 hours ago

It’s a hebrew translation, where the word used can mean many things. Devour, consume, eat, meat, food, fuel. All are translations of the same word used in other verses throughout the bible.

Further, eating cannabis has the same effect as smoking it. So why does that pedantry matter in the slightest?

And specifically with the “poison ones,” most of those are beneficial in some way to humans as well in the form of herbal remedies.

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People choose what they want to see. Even more so when it comes to religious text.

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2 points · 6 hours ago

He also gave us the taste and knowledge to avoid poisonous things.

If you want to take some poisonous Berry and remove the poison, then congrats. You now have safe food.

If you want to eat the poisonous food anyways because God said you could? Have fun.

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Translation error?

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6 points · 9 hours ago

Nah we’re supposed to figure that out

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4 points · 15 hours ago

Totally.

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I always wondered why no one argued that it’s for religious purposes. Like Indians can legally grow peyote.

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13 points · 9 hours ago

Rastafarians have for years but devil’s lettuce y’all

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2 points · 8 hours ago

It probably would improve the music, too.

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101 points · 20 hours ago

that’s the [holy] spirit!

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19 points · 18 hours ago

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12 points · 17 hours ago

I read those comments for like 5 minutes as “Pastafarian”

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12 points · 17 hours ago

Free bowl of bolognese with every donation!

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20 points · 12 hours ago

The city of Madison wants to spend a lot of money on legal services, and lose a battle.

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The city which has 300+ bars and condones binge drinking on a daily basis. It’s almost a right of passage in that state to get your 3rd DUI but smoking marijuana is for BAD people and dope heads.

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24 points · 9 hours ago

Actually, multiple counties here have polled the issue and in every one, a majority supported legalization. Wisconsin’s Tavern League is the group pouring money into keeping things the way they are.

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7 points · 8 hours ago

They know we would pregame Weed before going out, would eat food at home too, get too tired and stoned, fall asleep and that would be the end of their bar in the long run.

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I’d go to bars more if they sold cannabis.

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5 points · 7 hours ago

Me too. I don’t really drink, but I use cannabis every day.

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They opposed the smoking ban too. I’ve never heard of the Tavern League having a good position on an issue.

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Yep, the Supreme Court ruled in 2006 to allow the use of illicit substances (like peyote and hosca), for religious practices under the 1993 Religious Freedom Restoration Act. Marijuana use is common in Rastafarian practices. If they’re not selling it or giving it to people outside the religion, then they are not violating the law.

Source: https://www.pewforum.org/2006/02/21/supreme-court-rules-that-religious-group-can-use-illegal-drug-in-their-worship-services/

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4 points · 9 hours ago

They’ll probably win, look up Employment Division v. Smith and thank Antonin Scalia.

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92 points · 19 hours ago · edited 16 hours ago

Someone should call up the satanic church to help them fight this in court. Enemy of my enemy n’ all that. (Fight against the state I mean.)

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If wine can be sacrament, why not weed?

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69 points · 17 hours ago

In Rastafarian religion it is a sacrament.

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Which just makes it that much more stupid that marijuana is illegal in Jamaica.

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17 points · 10 hours ago

up to 2 oz. is legal to possess now

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14 points · 9 hours ago

Decriminalized doesn’t mean legalized. In 2015, they passed medical marijuana in Jamaica with pretty sparse restrictions. Anyone, including tourists, can buy marijuana with permission from a doctor, which could be given by a letter from a US doctor or you can get permission from a doctor on site. Of course, you can always just buy from a guy wearing dreads on the beach.

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5 points · 10 hours ago

Is it? I bought some from a guy standing outside the resort in Montegobay while constables were walking past us.

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It is. But last year they decriminalized under 2oz.

Prohibition is just one of those bullshit laws they had to pass to get international aid from the US.

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20 points · 18 hours ago

if wine and bread are blood and body of christ, then I guess weed can be the soul

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A nice loaf of French bread, a big joint, and a couple glasses of wine sound like one hell of a religious experience to me.

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Amen, and amen!

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3 points · 9 hours ago

Fewer people have died by weed than wine. 🤷‍♂️ Im game.

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It was part of the recipe for Hebrew anointing oil… Christ means the anointed one. He went around sharing something that was typically reserved for preists, curing things that we might have called seizure disorders, or scizophrenia… which we know today can be managed with cbd. Cannabis should be the sacrament. Any form of modern Christianity is evolved from what the Catholic church bastardized into the religion of Christianity. They got a lot of things wrong that people still accept. Pushing out cannabis, from religious texts, was the precursor to the war on drugs.

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12 points · 15 hours ago · edited 15 hours ago

It was possibly part of Hebrew anointing oil…

It’s to do with Kaneh Bosm which translates to fragrant cane. There are of course lots of other plants it could have been, with the most widely accepted being Calamus with some species of the plant having MDA effects. Think speed/hallucinogen, though more hallucinogen. Not sure if those species are native to Israel.

I know there was some studies way back in 1936 from a scientist, Sula Benet, that it might have been the correct etymology origin of the word but it wasn’t widely accepted by the academic community.

Here’s a Vice article about it. The Anointed One: Did Jesus Perform His Miracles with Cannabis Oil?

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I thought that cannabis could actually induce schizophrenia in those genetically predisposed or even worsen symptoms in those already diagnosed? I haven’t heard of it being used for treatment for schizophrenia.

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5 points · 16 hours ago

That seems to be a common misconception, though it has been argued.

Studies have shown a correlation, however, those same studies have found that people with nascent mental disorders are predisposed toward drug use. Thus, while the correlation could work either way, the evidence suggest that nascent schizophrenia causes drug use, rather than drug triggering schizophrenia.

Indeed, proving that marijuana could “trigger” latent disorders would all-but require proving that those disorders would have remained latent throughout life if the subject had never consumed marijuana.

The only source I’ve seen thus far claiming a causative link was a Canadian mental health pamphlet that cited no sources or studies. Happy to look over any evidence to the contrary and re-examine my position on the subject though!

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11 points · 11 hours ago

I wouldn’t exactly call it a “misconception.” Although the evidence is not conclusive, cannabis use (product with primarily THC, especially high potency THC) during adolescence, has been linked with schizophrenia and increased psychotic symptoms in both cross-sectional and longitudinal research. The increased risk is strongest for those at genetic risk, and greater frequency of use and more potent cannabis increase the odds. The theory is that chronic cannabis exposure (high THC, not CBD) downregulates the endocannabinoid (eCB) system and this disrupts glutamate signaling, especially in the prefrontal cortex and limbic system. We do need more twin-informed prospective longitudinal studies to rule-out that the actual link isn’t shared genetic risk for both psychosis and specific patterns of cannabis use (heavy, potent cannabis). The research to date is strong enough (including the mechanistic studies) to discourage individuals with a family history of psychosis to avoid cannabis.

There is some weak evidence that CBD reduces psychotic symptoms, but larger trials are needed.

There is a rather large literature on the subject, but here are a few reviews:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/29247465/?i=30&from=cannabis%20psychosis&filters=Review

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/30730563/?i=26&from=cannabis%20psychosis

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/30442059/?i=50&from=cannabis%20psychosis

Large-scale multi-site study linking cannabis (daily to nearly daily, high-potency product) to first episode psychosis (still need prospective, longitudinal research, but more evidence to discourage use in at-risk individuals):

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/30902669/?i=1&from=cannabis%20psychosis%20diforti

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That would be THC not CBD

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Ahh gotcha! Thanks

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You are not wrong though, surprisingly well informed

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7 points · 17 hours ago

Its already gone before the courts. its not protected unfortunately.

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Previous cases ruled that the Native American church could utilize peyote (containing mescaline, a class I) in strictly regulated ceremonies.

This church is giving members and walk-ins cannabis in exchange for a monetary donation, with quantity varying by contribution. That’s not a church, that’s drug dealing with extra steps.

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14 points · 11 hours ago

Native American tribes are treated as dependent sovereign nations, so they get a pass on some things.

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They only got the pass because the war on drugs made criminal a tradition dating centuries that harmed no one. If not for the relatively compassionate treatment by the Clinton administration, peyote cactus would be illegal.

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The first amendment does not protect the religious use of drugs, nor breaking of most laws that aren’t otherwise specifically discriminating against a religion. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment_Division_v._Smith

Congress passed a law called the religious freedom restoration act in response to Smith II that provide exemptions for peyote use, vaccination exceptions, etc. Many states have passed similar laws as well.

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5 points · 11 hours ago

But through Prohibition when there was a Constitutional amendment banning alcohol, it was still legal to serve wine as part of Communion.

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Prohibition was prior to the incorporation of the first amendment or the Smith II decision I fail to see the relevance.

Also the amendment allowed the banning of the sale of alcohol the volstead act actually banned it. The volstead act carved out medical, industrial and religious exemptions.

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26 points · 17 hours ago

They do this in California as well, but just to skirt around taxes.

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8 points · 15 hours ago

I remember seeing that years ago on some documentary about legal weed, and when the shops in cali were being raided by the federal government, when the state allowed it.

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Was it Super High Me with Doug Whatshisface?

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Isn’t this the place where that 70s show was about?

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That was Steven’s Point, about a 2 hour drive north of Madison.

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Nah it was Point Place, a made up town that’s probably somewhere in south east Wisconsin. They go to kenosha a lot and reference the old Playboy Club in Lake Geneva

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I say good.

Regardless of your political stance on cannabis, the witch hunt needs to end, and facts need to be faced.

Take a step back too – so we as a country are cool with Scientologists and all the wacky fucking shit they do (including probably killing people) but if you light a bowl during service suddenly that’s not okay?

1st amendment rights are for everyone, not the highest bidder.

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Nice

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5 points · 8 hours ago

This is like 10 minutes from my house. I think I just found God yo

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11 points · 18 hours ago

I just found god, and she is fire.

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This actually sounds like a serious comment about Babalon. Mind if I borrow it?

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7 points · 16 hours ago

As long as its not what you say right before you burn down a city, sure.

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13 points · 16 hours ago

A lot of people here are saying that there are similar places where they are, difference probably being that marijuana is illegal in Wisconsin. We don’t even have medical yet, much less recreational, so it’s a pretty big deal.

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420 praise it

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I don’t know if anyone here has been to this place but I have and even have brought them edibles a few times. If this place gets shut down it’s not just affecting skeevy stoners there’s like of elderly folks that stop in and frankly have no access to marijuana otherwise. But at least we can now have alcohol in our Baja Blast GO BADGERS /s

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7 points · 8 hours ago

About a decade ago scientists at Johns Hopkins showed that the frankincense resin they burn at church is psychoactive too, so are they gonna ask the pope to stop burning one down?

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7 points · 10 hours ago

I guess I’ll be that guy.

breath

HOW DOES RELIGIOUS FREEDOM PROTECT ANTI VAXX BUT NOT WEED

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Which religions even support anti-vaxxers? Genuinely curious.

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5 points · 9 hours ago

Hasidism, for one.

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3 points · 6 hours ago

“And on the 3rd day Abraham passed that loud to John and many puffs were taken, Abraham told him “puff puff pass my son” or god will get impatient with you.”

Psalm 420: Hit it, or pass it.

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The church of Sleep.

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2 points · 7 hours ago

Brings new meaning to “lord on high”

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i’m all for this because fuck weed being illegal but i’m also going to leave this right here.

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“”This is no different than a shop distributing marijuana.” WISN 12 News reporter Kent Wainscott said to Schworck”

Remember when journalists used to keep their opinions to themselves?

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Good way to get some high praise

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Jesus was way cool…

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3 points · 18 hours ago

Tremendous . Weed has done way more for me than sage

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Far more holy than alcohol. It is said to be the original sacrament.

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1 point · 18 hours ago

Oooohhhh Jeezus

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That’s my city!

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We tried that in California. They shut us down 😒

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Everytime they shut one down another 2 seem to take its place

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2 points · 7 hours ago

Hail Hydra?

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I thought it said Winston Churchill at first and was mildly confused.

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John 4:20 “Blaze it”

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1 point · 8 hours ago

So thats why they call it Green Bay

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What’s the address? I live in MN and have an open sunday

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1 point · 7 hours ago

Praise the lord and pass the bowl.

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If it was the Catholic Church smoking weed the city wouldn’t give a fuck

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Holy smokes!

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This reminds me of Coachella Valley Church in San Jose. They got shut down after a couple years but it was a great run. They had rastafarian stuff everywhere and weird white people who would give sermons.

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Hello Reddit welcome to planet Earth where one of our religions is Rastafarianism.

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1 point · 7 hours ago

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The vast majority of naturally-occurring drugs have a history of religious use— tobacco, shrooms, marijuana, coffee.

But if I were a god-fearing citizen of an ancient civilization and I discovered a mind-altering substance I’d probably make some ceremony out of it too.

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I meet my weed guy a block away.

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It’s pretty smart really. You can consume alcohol in a church if you are under 21. It’s “the blood of Christ” and it happens every day once you’ve been confirmed.

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Checkmate, atheists!

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1 point · 7 hours ago

Speed reading made me think “Winston Churchill”

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I was honestly expecting this to be on Brady Street rather than in Madison.

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Yas.

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Vote for the decriminalization of psychedelic mushrooms in Denver CO May 7th

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1 point · 6 hours ago

So this is the higher power I’ve been hearing about?

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Yeah, but have your ever tried Jesus on weed, man.

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The buddha of christ.

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1 point · 6 hours ago

Bless me father, for I have cough cough cough….ugh….sinned

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1 point · 6 hours ago

I used to attend a church in SF back in the early 2000’s and they used blessed marijuana as their sacrament. I saw very little difference than offering wine.

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1 point · 6 hours ago

As it should be!

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“The bud of Christ”

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1 point · 5 hours ago

See the sign? It says cannabis. The media and government always refer to cannabis as “marijuana,” which is the derogatory term for the plant.

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1 point · 5 hours ago

Praise the Most High!

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I just became religious

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1 point · 5 hours ago

Rastafarian by chance?

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1 point · 5 hours ago

Churches ain’t so bad.

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1 point · 5 hours ago

Umm why is this not available to “My Region” … What region is that? A part of my country? My country? EU? Anyone not in USA? I’m rly confused…

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1 point · 5 hours ago

Church of the Burning Bush

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1 point · 5 hours ago

Well if you believe God created the Earth then God also created marijuana for his brethren since it is a medicinal herb that cures ailments like aloe for example. It could be classed a drug I guess since it heals and helps the body but since it has no negative effects it is a misleading descriptor.

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Well I suppose that’s one way to find Jesus.

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Amen!

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1 point · 4 hours ago

I don’t know how many times churches have to do this to figure out the government isn’t fucking around and will prosecute you. There are a few supreme court cases covering it and until cannabis is dropped from schedule 1 the legal issues around the religious freedom aspect of cannabis is not going to change.
By all means grow smoke and sell all the weed you want. The feds are not going to come down on you unless youre really slipping up. But distributing it in a church is just asking for trouble.

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Ok this is a church I would go too. And I’m an atheist

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1 point · 2 hours ago

This is what the $#*&ing local GOP gets for shutting down state-wide legalization.

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Does declaring a religion make a religion? If I declare myself the head of the Church of Kahless, does it mean anything in terms of the first amendment? Discuss.

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1 point · 1 hour ago

Ahhhh, just like Indiana’s first church of Cannabis. Good show.

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Am posting to keep at 420 comments.

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That’s dope tbh

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Well looks like god pivoted to being a drug dealer….niiiiice

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For fuck’s sake. It’s done. Over. The last vestiges of fighting peoples’ desire to smoke weed is looking more and more pathetic. Laws are derived from what people think is important. Keeping weed illegal is not very popular. This prohibition is in its death throes.

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I’m inclined to agree with you. But unless the federal government changes its stance, the state I live in will take decades to legalize weed. The last time my state tried to legalize just medical marijuana in 2010 it lost 63% to 36%.

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1 point · 18 hours ago

We got one of these in the Vancouver area been here for a few years at least

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California has many “churches” that do this all over the state

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1 point · 16 hours ago

This is a thing all over California

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God Bless

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I’d like to attend that mass.

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1 point · 12 hours ago

I could become a convert.

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1 point · 11 hours ago

Tithing we can all get behind…

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1 point · 11 hours ago

amen to them

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How does one join this order? Asking for a friend.

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It’s time to wake up America weed should have never been illegal it’s time to get with the program.

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1 point · 10 hours ago

Well praise Jesus. I am going to that communion.

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I wish them the best of luck.

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1 point · 10 hours ago

This might be the only church I would want to go to. This is awesome.

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Just legalize it and we can stop playing these games

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Pfft. That’s wisconsin for ya!

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Niiiiice

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Wtf! This is a block away from me- I’m DEAD.

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Rhode Island has a church that does this. A leader of the church is a candidate for governor each election as part of the Compassion Party. Last year they were arrested with 48 lbs for church use. https://www.necn.com/news/new-england/Police-RI-Candidates-for-Gov-AG-Arrested-With-48-Pounds-of-Marijuana-495201481.html

They have also staged open smoking events at a small national park in RI https://www.providencejournal.com/article/20150518/NEWS/150519313/13819

Leaders of The Healing Church of West Greenwich, which uses marijuana for prayer and anointing, said they have been holding daily novenas since Thursday at the Roger Williams National Memorial and that they were questioned but not arrested Sunday by a park ranger and Providence police.

They are pretty open and attention seeking, but they are also fairly chill, and at the least smartly entertaining.

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Nice

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“Oh I’m feeling the spirit all right.”

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Peace be with you, man!

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1 point · 8 hours ago

There’s a church in Denver that allows cannabis during its private service, but they don’t distribute it. It’s been around for two years and service is held in an old church with a beautifully painted chapel. They have visiting hours where there is no consumption and you can tour the church. I highly (no pun intended) recommend checking it out even just to see the chapel. It’s called The International Church is Cannabis.

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Bless this weed we are about to receive…

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This is actually an important counterpoint to religious freedom… If only I actually knew more about Rastafarianism

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Let’s be real this is a weed store. But I definitely think if someone wants to smoke weed as a sacrament they should be allowed. I also definitely think anyone who wants to grow, smoke, eat, sell or share weed for any reason should be allowed. In a sane world this would be a non-issue

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4 points · 6 hours ago

I wouldn’t say it’s just a weed store. Rastafarianism is more than a new age sect of Christianity it’s a distinct religion with pretty devout followers.

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I know it is, but there’s no way these people are actually rastafarians, aside from maybe a few. That doesn’t change that i think they should be able to do it, it’s just silly that you have to be sneaky and try to take advantage of loopholes just to smoke weed

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3 points · 6 hours ago

I mostly agree with what you’re saying, but I would argue most Christians aren’t Christians at all, so I’m not sure why you’re laying out judgement on these rastafarians when religion has its own meaning to individual peoples.

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1 point · 6 hours ago

Fair enough. I can definitely see people joining for the weed.

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0 points · 7 hours ago

SMH. It a Rastafarian “church”. Clickbait title.

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-4 points · 18 hours ago

White guy Rastafarianism

sure, that checks out

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I mean, it happens. These are probably just stoners tho. Rastafari have fucking crazy rules. Never sharing a roof with a dead body, no fruit of the vine, no haircuts. True followers are some seriously devout folk.

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Seems pretty easy to not share a roof with a dead body.

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1 point · 4 hours ago

Unless you need to go to the hospital

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1 point · 9 hours ago · edited 8 hours ago

Rastafarianism is strongly tied to Jamaican black culture. A white person can declare themselves Rastafarian, sure, but it is generally considered offensive cultural appropriation.

And it’s unlikely his reasons were a belief in a black Jesus (totally true he wasn’t Aryan with a golden mullet) and belief that fruit of the vine was against god’s will led him to Rastafarianism. Pretty clear he just wanted to smoke weed- which, my belief system says that was always his right to decide.

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-4 points · 16 hours ago

“As for the religious part of it? …………. ok…”

Clearly these people are not in it for the religion, they’re in it for the free weed. Let’s be real. 😛

I would be too if I lived nearby.

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I think you underestimate the potential and inclination that people have for using drugs for spiritual experience.

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California does this haha quite cmon to see bible quotes, crosses, and JESUS LOVES YOU signs everywhere while you ‘donate’

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-3 points · 8 hours ago

Click bait title.

So it is not a church and is only a front for the distribution and use of a controlled substance.

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3 points · 7 hours ago

It would be different if the “controlled substance” was actually dangerous. If they were handing out prescription painkillers, and harmful drugs, then by all means, shut ’em down.

If they’re not hurting anyone, leave them alone. It’s ridiculous that the government loves to inject itself into everyone’s lives.

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The church of mormon does its goofy shit.

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0 points · 8 hours ago

Now I fully understand the burning bush in Exodus. It always confused me in Sunday school.

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-1 points · 11 hours ago

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Just gonna leave this here.

https://www.elevationists.org

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Last post in 2017 lol

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And your point is? They are open, I went for 4/20 and took tokes off a 5oz joint. Laserlight show and everything. It was awesome.

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Sweet. I don’t think they are active online though was my point lol.

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I wouldn’t have linked to a place that wasn’t open. The photos don’t do it justice. The basement has tons of video games all free. If you go to Colorado you should check it out.

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-2 points · 13 hours ago

Just another for them to convert non Christians.

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It’s a Rastifari church, not Christian

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-2 points · 12 hours ago

They did this in Quebec for decades as a work around to legally sell cannabis. Now that’s it’s legal I doubt that still exists but yea, Canada did it first.

Also PS can we please all stop calling it marijuana since that’s actually a tobacco plant!? Fuck tobacco.

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Shut.

It.

Down.

It’s a scam to get away with breaking the law. We don’t let Indians take peyote. We’re not going to let anyone else smoke pot as a “sacrament.”

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If I am not mistaken Native Americans are allowed to transport, possess, and consume peyote under the Indian Religious Freedom Act of 1978. So long as they are a card-carrying member of the Native American Church.

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2 points · 7 hours ago

Catholics drink shitty wine as a “sacrament”.

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That should be banned too. Alcohol is a devil’s drink.

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You’re either a troll or a boring authoritarian.

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-2 points · 12 hours ago

“Are you ready to meet GanJesus? Take a hit of this for a close encounter…”

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