A thorough conversation on race, immigration, gun control, black power, Donald Trump, voting, and more. From September 2019.
Those who pay attention to the political teams and gamesmanship will be better prepared to make effective decisions in the field in real time, in fall 2020. This is more than marijuana.
Killer Mike here mentions Crispus Attucks, the first American to die in the Revolutionary War for America. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crispus_Attucks
Candace Owens says this is a small window where the black vote is important, whereas normally it wouldn’t matter, but due to the 2020 contextual situation, the black vote has power. “Illegal is the new black,” she says, and says the reason they are advocating for new borders is because black birth rates have stagnated, and there is an agenda to wipe out the black vote, by bringing in foreigners to start voting. She then cites illiteracy rates of inner city schools and the inability of black boys to pass basic reading exams — 75% of black boys in California can’t pass a reading exam. Baltimore looked at 5 schools and couldn’t find a single black child that could pass a basic reading or math exam. Candace is displeased with these statistics, and says they are the reason she is against illegal immigration. Interesting ideas. “An educated mind cannot be enslaved.” Not a single candidate is talking about the inner city schools not educating black children.
She also says another issue facing black America is the breakdown of family and that the biggest issue facing black America is father absence. She then criticizes the welfare system for giving unmarried women more money for staying unmarried when having children. Mocking masculinity and making it seem like something is wrong with being a man being talked about by her incited yelling from a man in the audience. She went on amidst yelling to discuss the single black motherhood rate got interrupted, and Killer Mike interjected to defend her by saying no matter how you feel about her personally everything she is saying was said by Louis Farrakhan for the last twenty-five fucking years. Killer Mike’s words. The single motherhood rate in the black community, she continued, while mentioning that this makes her public enemy #1, in the 1960’s before President Johnson started the the Great Society act was 23% which at the time was considered very high. 23% of black people growing up without a father in the home. The single rate of black mothers in the black community today is 74%. 74% of black children grow up without a father in the home, today. Obama himself said you are 9 times more likely to end up in prison, 6 times more likely to drop out of high school and 12 times more likely to lead life of poverty. Candace argues that nobody is talking about father absence and why do people keep being silenced when people actually do, she asks. She also says this isn’t that controversial.
Katrina Pierson offers that the biggest issue facing the black community is a severe lack of black leadership. 9,000 opportunity zones, including two dozen counties in Atlanta, where Trump has put up hundreds of billions of investment into black communities, not just impoverished communities. She urges young black voters to vote for Trump, because he is giving them a voice, and reversing the disenfranchisement that Democrats, in control for decades, have provided. Steven Pargett interjects that opportunity zones sound a lot like the Clinton’s party empowerment zones and states that neither party delivered on making sure legitimate development took place in black communities. Zones like this are where gentrification starts, he argues.
T.I. feeds Candace a bullshit compliment followed by an accusation, causing a collective groan while Candace rubs her forehead. T.I. basically looks like a small minded fool the entire interview in my opinion dropping unnecessary f-bombs to establish street credibility and appears intellectually insecure next to people of far superior minds, to be effective with this little random feedback. This is an excellent conversation, and T.I. plays the important role of the fool, I just wish he’d shut the fuck up and stop rambling while clowning and enjoying the spotlight slash theft of everyone else’s time.
Anyways. Candice responds she loves the question. She was forced to interrupt this dude as he spent a full four minutes asking a very simple question. “I’ve been investing in opportunity zones all my motherfucking life” is why this dude shouldn’t be back on the stage here. Stick to the rapping booth, T.I.,, and let Killer Mike and other rappers with respect for the platform lead. After the ramble, Steven Pargett redirected to focus Candace on her first point, as everyone forgot what the fuck was going because of T.I.
Her finally able to answer answer was this. She said, you insinuated Trump hasn’t denounced white supremacy. T.I., unable to keep silent, said Trump has not denounced white supremacy. Candace continued, go to his Twitter feed, and go back to the shootings. T.I. interrupted again, something about the KKK, and Candace said no, tell the truth. “Now you’re cutting me off. There you go. Now we’re even.” Candace finally shut T.I. up with that line.
Candace says she wants to talk about why people are being manipulated. Stating that black people are “so hung up” on Charlottesville and that the clip about both sides having nice people isn’t the whole story and that folks should go look at the full clip. T.I. shakes his head with a sneer while Candace says people like him are thinking with emotion and being mislead with headlines that take clips out of context, which results in black people losing politically and being mislead to a slaughter. Check out the body language during this part of the Revolt summit:
“He has denounced white supremacy so many times. It’s something north — somebody counted up, 24 times. And it’s on his Twitter feed. So, if you want to fact check me, go back to a couple weeks ago when the shootings happened, he said America is no place for white nationalism or white supremacy and it’s an issue that has to be tackled,” Candace continued. “You can fact check me. I’m either lying to your face or you can go on Twitter right now. We can do it live.”
“Let me tell you something. Let me tell you why the black vote is the easiest vote for Democrats to keep for the last 60 years. All they have to do to get our vote — let me tell you something. If people know what you fear, you are the easiest person to control. The Democrats have figured out that black America is emotionally responsive to the word racism.” Candace continued on. “The biggest issue facing black America is not white supremacy. When Trump said there were good people on both sides, he was talking about the fact, that some people that were in the Charlotesville rally — and he could have paraphrased that better, could have said that better — literally came there because they don’t believe that statues should be torn down. Other people came there because they were upset that amongst the people that came there to watch the statue be torn down were also white nationalists. So what he meant, was there were some people that were just there, using there first amendment rights, there were some people that were there to respond to the white nationalists, and a big mess happened. I’m not trying to defend him or relitigate a situation. I’m saying that being hung up on that is allowing you to not look at an administration that is tackling so many issues in black America right now. I do not consider myself a Republican. I am definitely not a Democrat. But Trump woke me up. I used to be liberal. Trump woke me up to the idea that we’re being manipulated by the word racism every four years.”
The crowd responded with displeasure. Here’s the body language of the panel on stage when Candace was done with the above paragraph as Steven Pargett continued to delve into this topic himself.
Steven Pargett: “What I’m concerned about is, how is that any different than the fear that Trump has created in poor whites? The fear that Trump has lifted in poor whites that black people and poor urban people are their problem?”
Candace replied, “When did Trump ever say that? That’s a fallacy. When did Trump ever say black people are the problem?”
Before the question was finished, Steven Pargett yelled back with emphasis, “Make. America. Great Again! That’s when he said it. But I’m not on the panel. So I wanted to make sure — ”
Candace Owens replied: “That was Ronald Reagan’s slogan. Was that racist when Ronald Reagan had it as a slogan?”
T.I.: “Yes. Whoa. Please answer this I have a question.” T.I. here was much more respectful and raising his hand, and wasn’t being mocking, he was just like, eff this shit, I wanna say something, and he had something to finally say. “I have a question. When you say Make America Great Again? Which period are you talking about? The period where women couldn’t vote? The period where we were hanging from trees?”
Candace replied. “I actually think that I would totally rock a hat right now that said make black America great again.”
T.I. interrupted and repeated his question, asking which period she would prefer to make great again.
Candace: “I’ll answer your question.”
T.I.: “Which era was it?”
Candace: “What?”
T.I.: “Which era was so great?”
Candace: “Here’s the thing that you guys are forgetting. America was actually one of the first — slavery was all over the world –” and she gets cut off, by the audience, surprise.
T.I.’s stupid non-intellectual twitter thinking hivemind tiny brain ass interrupts: “Answer the question. Answer the question.” Fucking show people.
Candace ignores the attention whore. “I’m not saying it’s ok, so why are you saying oh?” The audience starts booing.
T.I. interrupts again. “Hey man. I wanna like you so bad. Cause you’re so smart. I wanna like you so much.”
The audience is booing loudly now so Steven Pargett interrupts: “Hey. I wanna hear y’all. I wanna be able to hear them.”
Candace, to the audience now: “If I can’t answer the question and you’re just gonna boo when I say slavery was all over the world which is a fact, why are you booing a fact?”
T.I. interrupts a fucking gain. Somebody take his mic. “Because you’re making light of the enslavement of people that look like us. You can’t make light of that. That ain’t nothing you breeze over.”
Candace: “I haven’t gotten to my point. I’m not making — I haven’t even finished the sentence. How am I making light of anything?”
T.I. with a mic drop, to raucous applause and cheering: “You started with some booooooolshit.”
Candace, exasperated, sighs: “Ok.” Her tone and eye roll indicate she really means, whatever, rap boy.
The camera cuts to P. Diddy. He’s in a pink polo. He leaves his seat. This is beginning to look like Jerry Springer, not a political summit, but hey, T.I. brings a certain kind of presence and energy, so he do what he be, ya dig?
Killer Mike bows his head. He’s been silent this whole time.
Candace continues: “We can be emotional. We can boo, we can cheer. But I’m telling you right now the black vote is not going to matter after the next about five years if you don’t start paying attention to what I’m saying to you because I’m trying to tell you guys the truth, the absolute truth about what is happening in black America. You are being used, abused, and lied to and manipulated emotionally by the Democrat party. That is what I am here to tell you. You want to keep uprising and talking about racism, when they’re taking our fathers out of the home, when they’re making (Steven Pargett interrupts “You said that already, we got you” because god forbid any truth be stated at this fucking forum) no no, because we’re seeing it happen right here. Right here. I’m telling you it, and you’re being responsive, because I can’t finish a sentence about what I was going to say about slavery.”
T.I.’s stupid fucking ass: “Because we disagreed.” He takes the tone of the modern uneducated black non-intellectual idiot voter: paternalistic and condescending, as if the person they are speaking to is intellectually inferior. That’s a common tactic with stupid folk. “Everyone in totality disagrees.”
Candace retorts: “Because you started with some bullshit. Ah, that’s culture, man. That’s not intellectual. That’s culture.” She shakes her head emphatically, points to her head like, you’re a fucking dumbass, T.I. Because he is. Clearly. This is why I got into politics: to manipulate these idiots like T.I. and use their emotional weaknesses against them. It’s insanely easy. Back to the note taking.
Steven Pargett: “Catrina, I need you to come in, because this point is dead. I need you to talk about the issue of money and whose coming into the community, and what that money means for the community.”
Katrina: “Black people who are woke, went to the Oval office, and said how can we help black America? President Trump says, whatever I can do I’ll do it. You want your basketball players coming back from China? I’ll help you with that. You want Aesop Rocky? I’ll make that phone call. Come to the table. He is willing to help. T.I., look —
T.I. interrupts. He’s like a programmed robot in that. “Get that out of here girl. See, that what I’m saying, man. Nah, man. See, that what I’m saying. You just did it. And if you listen to a person long enough, they will reveal themselves to you. You just did it. You just did it. You just did it. You just showed that what they did was, they manipulated black people by thinking that if we don’t get this person out of jail, that you’ll think that’s cool with you. It was an opportunity. Baby, I am from the ghetto. I have been peeping game for a long time.”
Now Candace interjects: “Exactly.”
T.I. doesn’t skip a ghetto celebrity beat. “I know when shit ain’t right. I know when shit ain’t right. But I do agree with the criminal justice reform. He’s done great things. But this is all from an opportunist perspective.”
Candace: “So when Trump help he’s an opportunist. If he doesn’t help, he’s a racist. This is pretend. This is ridiculous.”
Steven Pargett: “Mike I want you to come in on this — ”
Tamika: “No. He’s an opportunist, and a racist, all at the same time.”
Candace: “Oh, at the same exact time. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t. You want to know why we can’t have progress? This is why.”
Katrina: “This is why black America cannot move forward. Because you have somebody willing to put it right in policy.”
T.I.: “See that’s another lie! Black America has been moving forward generation by generation” (incoherent screaming ensues as the girls say no, it wasn’t) — “this forum was brought to you by a black man. You understand that? I ain’t going to let you tell my children black people ain’t moving forward.”
Candace: “We have been declining since the 1960’s in every major statistic. We are getting forward. Do not let him tell you that lie.”
Steven: “Katrina. Mike has been sitting here listening to all y’all talk. Mike, go ahead brother.”
Killer Mike: “Niggas! Niggas! Niggas!” The crowd laughs. Finally, some reality. “Nigga nigga nigga nigga! Stop it! Stop. Everybody hush. Hush. And listen. Because I’m about to give you the secret to what the fuck y’all are witnessing.
“What you niggas, negus, of the royal kind, not niggas, ni double g as, what y’all are seeing right now, are free people, arguing over who got the best master. (The audience response is fantastic, check it out at the 44 minute mark here). Oh yeah. So, we all go back to silent. Let’s register this shit back down. We gonna lock this back down. So, I’ll tell you when America was great. Seven years after the ending of the Civil War. Hold, Candace, because you didn’t give the comment, so you weren’t prepared for that one. That’s not to jump on Candace, because again I’m disagreeing with my friend. Seven years after the end of the Civil War, blacks within seven to fifteen years accumulated over 15 million acres of land. Since — hold on, before we get to clapping because negus bought some shit — black people are the only skilled labor in there. So if it was welding to be done, iron bending, cotton picking, it was black people, so instantly your value became more. And Candace has a point. The point that she made about illegal immigration effecting you is it is going to effect you at some point. Why. If the kegel chicken factory is hiring illegally, illegal immigrants, at an undercut on the rate, it affects the black people who live there who should be demanding 20 bucks an hour because they’re being undercut. So when they get wiped out they have to hire black, pay them, and unionize. So she’s right on that. But hold the fuck on, I’m not finished. You have to remember that people who look like you immigrate too. So, before you widely say, fuck ’em all, remember, America is always going to have a slave class. And if illegal immigrants or legal immigrants will not be the lowest paid workers, those in prison will be, and that always ends up looking like one of their sons, so it circles back around. So that’s why, people who are black, who are from two different plantations, gotta get the fuck away from “Massa,” long enough to say how the fuck fuck are we going to burn down both of their fucking houses. Now, this is my thought. (P. Diddy stands up, claps, sits down.) I don’t care if you destroy the Republican or Democratic party. Because at one time, blacks were Republicans. And you dominated those seven years after the Civil War, you were Republicans, you had more blacks in the House and Senate than you do now, and you dominated your own economic communities. You did that as Republicans, as Democrats, you did the same in cities like Atlanta, you failed in other cities, but. The most important thing is self organizing. By the time we get to a candidate, we should have a list that says white man, white woman, these are our demands. You can meet them and get our vote, or we gonna stay home and crochet and make collard greens. But what you cannot do, is continue to argue over who is the best master.”
“I don’t give a fuck if it’s Trump, Obama, your momma, my momma. What the fuck do you have for me, and my community? Now. If you do not, and if you stop playing, if you stop playing, oh I’m going to say the snazziest shit to each other on stage, I’m going to show that motherfucker, this is going to be a quotable. And we close up the doors and we simply say, how do we take the good of what you have, the good of what you have, the good of what you have and you have (pointing to Candace, T.I., Tamika, Katrina), how do we shape it into a ten point agenda, to present to every local, state, and national politician. If you cannot meet points on our agenda, we simply can’t support you. I like you, I love your casinos Mr. Trump. I like you Bernie, I like maple syrup that comes from Vermont. But what do you have for us? Now. When talking about have black people done better, we keep doing better, and we keep getting knocked down. We keep doing better and we keep doing knocked down. So I’mma tell people. This is your homework. Fuck trying to convince you. I want you to go home tonight, I want you to listen to Thomas Sowell (Candace interjects yes, Killer Mike replies hold on, I got you coming, then gives her some skin and continues) so I want you to listen to Walter E. Williams, I want you to listen to Antonio Moore, I want you to listen to Evett Carnell, I want you to listen to the economic strategy of Elijah Mohammed and Marcus Garvey, I want you to listen to the political strategy of Stokely Carmichael. I need you to get on your study and prove yourself worthy shit because I’m tired of arguing who got the best master. You’re already free, now nigga, act like it. Do your research, and decide what’s best for you, because what’s best for us in Atlanta was a black man who said, ok, I’m the mayor now. You want to do business with Atlanta, meaning you want an “opportunity zone?” 29% of all government contracts had to be attached to black people. When he found out that there were no black architectural firms, he said if black people build driveways, we can build airport runways. So he gave the white architectural firms the rights to build the airport, the fucking Herman Russell company laid the drive, laid the plane. So my thing is, as black people, how are we going to get in a room together, stop fighting over whose master, decide what are agenda is, and decide how to leverage it? I don’t care who agrees with Cap or Jay-Z. I care that black people as a whole showed up to work that day. What if nobody would have showed up to work? What if everybody would have said you know what, fuck it my nigga. What if everybody on the same day would have done that. If everybody, every policeman, every beer salesman, every car parker, every NFL analyst, would have not showed up. Until we ready to do that, we not serious about being free.”
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